{"id":65,"date":"2025-12-07T14:20:09","date_gmt":"2025-12-07T14:20:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/?page_id=65"},"modified":"2025-12-07T14:22:32","modified_gmt":"2025-12-07T14:22:32","slug":"5-discussion","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/report\/5-discussion\/","title":{"rendered":"5.\u00a0 Discussion"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>5.1\u00a0 Factors that might affect the accuracy or trends of results<\/h2>\n<p>As noted there may have been implicit bias affecting REF results, but based on the 2014 outcomes if anything this would have acted to make the value for money more extreme.<\/p>\n<p>There might also be differences across different areas of computing.\u00a0 While there are few areas requiring large-scale equipment as there are in Physics, theoretical computing may require less resources than more application-oriented areas.\u00a0 However, within computing the post-1992 institutions are more likely to have application-focused research, so again this would mean if anything that the underlying trend is even more extreme than is apparent in the REF data.<\/p>\n<p>Academics have multiple demands on their time conflicting with research.\u00a0 However, one would expect these time demands to be greater in teaching-intensive institutions, so one might therefore expect less efficient use of research time, but that is the opposite of the trend seen.\u00a0 However, competing workloads may well be a factor at the level of individual institutions.<\/p>\n<p>Similarly, one would expect the research environment in research-heavy institutions to be more conducive to effective use of research resources, but this is the opposite of what is seen in the data.<\/p>\n<h2>5.2\u00a0 Alternative analyses<\/h2>\n<p>Funding comes for various purposes, some is focused on pure research (esp. UKRI), some for industrial projects, some for work with communities or local business, some for doctoral training, etc.\u00a0 The different value-for-money measures all use the <em>overall<\/em> income figure and do not attempt to model the individual types of income and how they map to the three main REF criteria areas.\u00a0 Given there are only around ninety institutions and many factors, a more complex analysis would struggle to avoid overfitting, but this could perhaps be attempted by pooling data from several UoAs with similar characteristics.<\/p>\n<h2>5.3\u00a0 Individual institution results vs overall trends<\/h2>\n<p>I was Director of the Computational Foundry at Swansea University over a substantial part of the REF period, so it is somewhat embarrassing that Swansea sits low in the income\u2013GPA curve in Figure 10.\u00a0 However, I am also aware that during the period the Computational Foundry hosted Cherish DE a large network-style grant that registered as Swansea income but had widespread benefits across UK HE; in addition, student numbers grew far faster than staff during the REF period leading to one of the worst computing SSRs in the UK.\u00a0 Without making excuses (!), there will be similar stories across every institution and so the data in these \u2018league tables\u2019 should not be read as producing an accurate value-for-money estimate for each institution in UoA11.\u00a0 However, the overall trends across sectors of UK HE are likely to be robust.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/files\/2025\/12\/F10-GPA-vs-income-graph-swansea-scaled.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-66\" src=\"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/files\/2025\/12\/F10-GPA-vs-income-graph-swansea-1024x657.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"436\" height=\"283\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Fig 10. Graph of overall GPA vs Total income for academic years 2013-14 to 2019-20<br \/>\n(Swansea University highlighted)<\/p>\n<h2>5.4\u00a0 Possible reasons for the trends seen<\/h2>\n<p>Assuming these results are robust, why are we seeing the overall trend to greater effectiveness in lower-ranked institutions.\u00a0 This is an important question as understanding this might allow improved research effectiveness everywhere.<\/p>\n<p>Here are some possible reasons for the differing value for money across the sector, which may all apply to some extent.\u00a0 Some are about the overall funding system:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em>implicit bias within the funding system<\/em> \u2013\u00a0 In principle, UKRI and similar finding tries to avoid institutional bias, but, as was evident from REF2014, it is hard to avoid the halo effect of a proposal from a \u2018good\u2019 institution.<\/li>\n<li><em>money follows money<\/em> \u2013\u00a0 The presence of lots of money, lab resources, etc., may make funders feel that existing centres of expertise are a safer bet for further investment.\u00a0 Indeed, the QR funding formula to some extent follows this pattern.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Both of the above effects could mean that weaker proposals from high-esteem institutions are more likely to obtain funding, thus dragging down their institutions\u2019 net efficiency.<\/p>\n<p>Some reasons are about potential problems within the high-esteem institutions:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em>overcommitment of big hitters <\/em>\u2013\u00a0 In many institutions a relatively small number of academics are responsible for a large proportion of grant funding.\u00a0 This may lead to some projects not getting suitable levels of supervision\/management.<\/li>\n<li><em>surface veneer of well-written grant applications <\/em>\u2013 The collective knowledge and critical mass within a research-intensive institution may mean that a fundamentally less good ideas may be written in ways that appear to be stronger, leading to better funding success of lower quality research.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Others relate to strengths within the lower-esteem institutions:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em>greater staff selection \u00a0<\/em>\u2013 \u00a0Teaching intensive institutions with small numbers of research active staff have often made stronger distinctions between staff types, offering research active staff lower teaching and admin loads.\u00a0 While this must be set against higher overall loads, this could still be a net benefit.\u00a0 Of course, given changes in submission criteria post REF 2014, there are increasing numbers of teaching-only staff across the entire university sector.<\/li>\n<li><em>targeted support <\/em>\u2013Many universities have targeted internal funding and research support services. It is hard to compare the total volume of these, but where the university as a whole has a smaller number of research active staff accessing these internal funds and services, so there might be a higher net service level.<\/li>\n<li><em>greater expectations <\/em>\u2013 Where external funding, especially \u2018cherished\u2019 sources, is rare even small grants are seen as special and often lead to outcomes well out of proportion to the monies received.<\/li>\n<li><em>greater investigator input <\/em>\u2013\u00a0 Because funding levels are lower, this may mean that there is a greater proportion of investigator\/academic time (whether or not properly costed!) dedicated to each pound of grant funding; the obverse of \u2018<em>overcommitment of big hitters<\/em>\u2019!<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>5.5\u00a0 Potential policy implications<\/h2>\n<p>The obvious take-away is that a shift to rebalance funding across the sector is likely to lead to a greater overall volume of high-quality research.\u00a0 The mechanisms for this however may not be easy as UKRI peer review is notoriously resistant to policy nudges.\u00a0 Also this is not about a complete levelling, it is clear that there are centres of excellence producing a large volume of world-leading work, but this seems to carry with it a far less effective tail.<\/p>\n<p>Structurally there may be value in encouraging more projects that cross between facets of the sector nurturing islands of research excellence across the whole of HE and leveraging the greater efficiency of those pockets.\u00a0 Of course, any such initiatives would need to ensure they leverage the best of both, rather than regress to the mean!\u00a0 Devolved nations may be well placed to facilitate and encourage such cross-institutional connections.<\/p>\n<p>Since the Thatcher years, the government pressure for centres of excellence has focused on creating critical mass.\u00a0 In a digital age, these communities of practice need not be physically based within single institutions.\u00a0 Again, positive pressure may be needed, as cross-institutional collaborations more often seem to be <em>within<\/em> pre- or post-1992 sectors rather than between them.<\/p>\n<p>We clearly need a better understanding of the factors that make research spend more or less effective.\u00a0 The suggestions in section 5.4 are based purely on the author\u2019s personal experience and anecdotal evidence.\u00a0 This suggests the need for richer studies of academic practice at a more detailed level so that funding policy can be rooted more solidly in evidence and data. \u00a0This need for \u2018science of science policy\u2019 was also one of the recommendations of the Metric Tide report [WA15].<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>5.1\u00a0 Factors that might affect the accuracy or trends of results As noted there may have been implicit bias affecting REF results, but based on the 2014 outcomes if anything this would have acted to make the value for money &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/report\/5-discussion\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"parent":37,"menu_order":5,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_themeisle_gutenberg_block_has_review":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-65","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/65","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=65"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/65\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":67,"href":"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/65\/revisions\/67"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/37"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/alandix.com\/ref2021\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=65"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}